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Loose Change is a documentary that tries to illustrate the theory that 9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by sources within the American government. They point to:
+ military exercises taking place on 9/11 that mirrored the actual attacks, including drills involving planes crashing into the WTC and Pentagon
+ evidence of bombs as the cause of the collapse of the Twin Towers and WTC7, which served as a base for several federal agencies like the CIA
+ strange actions by part of government officials before and after the attacks, for example Condoleeza Rice warning Mayor Brown from San Francisco not to fly on 9/11
+ firefighters and other eyewitnesses who saw and heard explosions occuring at different parts of the Tower far away from the crash site and other evidence of a planned demolition
+ citation to news articles with the FBI confirming that many 9/11 hijackers are still alive
+ evidence that the crash at the Pentagon is not consitant with a commercial airliner (Boeing 757) and instead was caused by a smaller airplane
+ ability and willingness of American intelligence groups to stage false acts of terror to advance military agendas, including 'Operation Northwoods' which would blame Cuba for an attack on an American plane
+ ability of military industry to use aerial drones to pose as hijacked planes, which where used in the exercise 'Amalgam Virgo' in June of 2001 to train for an unconventional threat coming from terrorist like Osama Bin Laden
(IMG:http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/80/amalgamvirgojun1220013bc.jpg)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...hange+2&pl=true
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Is their really a point to this? The video is interesting though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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well truth be told i've always thought so anyways..plus they didnt keep the remainings of the wtc they shipped it to india to be metled..melting evidence..plus the gov. benefited(haha is that even a word) off of 9/11..we were going broke and after that countries were pulling cash outa their a$$'s to give to the u.s....plus america has always had scams and plots to have reasons to take over other ppls counries...nobody else can have nukes but them so they can blow everybody else off the face of the earth (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) ...my opinion dont drop a bomb on me to (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sweatingbullets.gif) ...
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if dis is true, it was just sick... don't they know the values of others live. dang, i just hate all this conspiracy, it's great that hollywood came out with movie like v 4 vendetta, it can be like a warning for us, what the goverment is capable to do and always be aware of it.
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can we close this, these topics arent news or current events. jsut conspiracy theories that are way off base.
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^agreed.
some people must be really bored
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I alwaysthought so...they did it sooo messy. with passports intact on the ground (after it fell from a burning plan.)*and how did it get outta the plane?*..anyways all my thoughts are to much to type here i dunt feel like it. but yes I think it was...what a sad and sick world we live in...now they can go around blowing up the rest of the world over that one day..ugh
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can we close this, these topics arent news or current events. jsut conspiracy theories that are way off base.
I hate these kinda conspiracy theories too.....but how do you explain the scientific facts like the video mentions? these can't be made up
like how the propellers(?) vanished since the heat due to impact was too high, so none was found at the pentagon. But airplane fuel can only reach up to like 800 C, and it needs like 1200 C in order to melt the metal that makes up the propeller?
And how the metal structures that was used to build the twin towers needs somthing like 1800 C in order to melt, but the plane's heat due to impact reached no where near that, and the 2 buildings still collapsed? at speed of free fall too?
I dunno....just my 2 cents
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i wouldnt be suprised if this was a conspiracy.
btw is anyone watching season 5 of the tv show 24?
the conspiracy is similar to president logan's in 24, except he ordered nerve gas to be released instead of planes crashing into the twin towers. so its not suprising that president bush would do something like this.
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A university physics professor did research on the collapse of the Twin Towers.
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
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This isn't news ....
But someone had alot of time thinking up stuff like this u___u
'citation to news articles with the FBI confirming that many 9/11 hijackers are still alive'
I find this hard to belive If they are alive, why aren't there any other survivors from the crush?
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A university physics professor did research on the collapse of the Twin Towers.
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
wow, long, but interesting article. ALMOST read the entire thing heh.
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Last time there was a conspiracy about an attack on us soil it was after WWI, Pearl Harbor. A lot of people will claim that President F.D.R had a huge conspiracy to allow the attacks at pearl harbor in order for us to go to war with Japan. What this has to do in relation to this topic follows:
A book I'm reading, 1942 the year that tried men's souls, has a great segment about the conspiracy theory on Pearl harbor. I'll include it here, because the implications apply here as well:
From there it proceeds to the strained conclusion that Roosevelt had, through U.S. intelligence sources, gained positive knolwedge that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor, the Philippines, and other U.S. territories in the Pacific. Some even assert that Roosevelt knew the date and time of the attack, but had ordered this critical information withheld from the Pacific commands. This was because he wanted Japan to strike the first blow, so as to enrage the American people to such a vengeful frenzy that there would be no question of isolationists or America Firsters raising any opposition to entering the war.
Among those who subscribe to this theory, in greater or less degreees, were a few admirals, captains and other high-ranking naval officers, as well as the distinguished historian John Toland, who reached this conclusion late in his career. Others have published similar books over the years, painstakingly parsing bits of information from documents long moldering in the bowels of World War II records centers and from other sources, some dubious, some valid.
Superficially, a case might be made for some of their hypotheses. It is certainly true that Roosevelt believed the United States should enter the war. The Axis was both despicable and a real menace and, if victorious, would certainly pose a great peril to the United States and the Western Hemisphere. That Roosevelt actually wanted war is a different thing; no president in his right mind wants war, but seeing the inevitable hazards of a world ruled by dictators the likes of Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo, Roosevelt was keenly aware that America's best interests - indeed, her very surival- lay in defeating this malignant and bloodthirsty despots. In possessing this awareness he can hardly be faulted.
Almost all of what professor Gordon Prange, a preeminent Pearl harbor historian, called revisionist histories cite Roosevelt's instructions to let Japan strike the first blow as proof that he in fact wanted the Japanese to achieve a surprise attack on the U.S. fleet at Pearl Harbor, but any sensible reading of the context of Roosevelt's order reveals that what the president was trying to convey to his Pacific commanders was that the United States should not attack the Japanese first, before war was declared by either side. The notion that America should let Japan strike first indicates to the revisionists that Roosevelt knew the Japanese would attack without a declaration of war. He did not know this (as the evidence suggests) but of course he suspected it, given the nation's behavior ever since the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05, and so did the Washington military command, evidenced by the various warniings they sent out all over the Pacific.
In short, to follow all the arguments suggesting that Roosevelt conspired to let the Pacific command be surreptitiously attacked by the empire of Japan is exceedingly tedious and in the end wasteful of effort because it defies simple logic.* First, such a conspiracy would have to involve not only Roosevelt but his two top military commanders, Marshall and Stark, as well as their intelligence and planning staffs, plus probably the secretary of war, Henry Stimoson, and Secretary of State Hull, all of whom were receiving daily intelligence materials from MAGIC. Anybody who has worked the political game in Washington knows that such a shocking and widespread conspiracy would be absolutely impossible to keep secret for very long.
Second, Roosevelt, himself a former assistant secretary of the navy during World War I, was perhaps the nation's foremost champion of the sailors and great ships that constitute the United States Navy. He was then, and has been since, accused of many devious things-and many of the accusations stick-but the idea that Roosevelt would willfully allow all those ships to be sucnk and all those sailors, soldiers, and marines to be killed is a notion too monstrous to entertain seriously.
Finally, along the same line, even assuming that Roosevelt had somehow known about a pending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, it flies in the face of reason that he would have singly let it happen, and permitted his main naval battle force to be destroyed just as war was breaking out. At the very least he would have made absolutely sure that the Pacific commanders were alterted in such a fashion that they would be ready and waiting for the Japanese when they arrived, and shot down their planes and sunk their ships. Clearly, anything otherwise would have been, simply, idiotic. The American public would have been just as outraged and eager for revenge upon learning that the Japanese had attempted and failed at a sneak attack as they were when they learned it had been successful.
*MAGIC - Magic was the decryption system in place pre-pearl harbor, which monitored Japanese communication and handled the spying on the Japanese.
*Whenever a calamity strikes, the conspiracy people go into business. After President Lincoln's assassination, it was suggested that his secretary of war Edwin Stanton and abolitionist members of the administration conspired to have Lincoln killed because they thought he would go too easy on the defeated South. The assassination of President Kennedy still abounds in conspiracies today: e.g., the Mafia, Fiedl Castro, the CIA did it. Since the attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon on September 11, 2001, there are those who insist that President Bush knew of the plot in advance and let it happen in order to somehow raise his poll numbers. [Winston Groom, 1942: The year that tried Men's Souls pages: 94-96.]
There have been numerous hijackings pre-9/11. Taken from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_hijacking
1958: First Cuba-to-U.S. hijacking
1960: The first US-to-Cuba hijacking
1968: The first Arab-Israeli hijacking, as three members of Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) hijack an El Al plane to Rome. Diverting to Algiers the negotiations extend over forty days. Both the hijackers and the hostages go free. This was the first and the only successful hijacking of an El Al flight.
1970 May 15: Dymi can't reads-Kuznetsov hijacking affair, a group of Soviet refuseniks attempt to hijack aircraft
1970, September: As part of the Dawson's Field hijackings, PFLP members attempt to hijack four aircraft simultaneously. They succeed on three and force the planes to fly to the Jordanian desert, where the hijackers blow up the aircraft after releasing most of the hostages. The final hostages are freed in exchange for seven Palestinian prisoners. The fourth attack on an El Al plane by two people including Leila Khalid is foiled by armed guards aboard.
1971: D. B. Cooper hijacks Northwest Orient Airlines flight 305 and obtains $200,000 ransom for the release of the plane's passengers. Cooper proceeds to parachute from the rear of the Boeing 727 and is never found.
1974 February 22: Samuel Byck shot and killed Maryland Aviation Administration Police Officer Neal Ramsburg at BWI before storming aboard Delta Air Lines flight 523 to Atlanta. He gained access to the cockpit while the plane was on the ground, intending to assassinate President Nixon by flying the DC-9 into the White House. He shot both the pilot and the copilot before he was shot through the aircraft window by another officer.
1976: The Palestinian hijack of Air France Flight 139 is brought to an end at Entebbe Airport, Uganda by Operation Entebbe: Israeli commandos assault the building holding the hijackers and hostages; they kill all the Palestinian hijackers and free 105 mostly Israeli hostages; three passengers and one commando are killed.
1977: A Palestinian hijack of a Lufthansa airliner Landshut during its flight from Palma de Mallorca to Frankfurt is ended in Mogadishu when German commandos storm the plane. Three hijackers are killed and 86 hostages are freed. The hand of German Red Army Faction is suspected. The pilot is killed.
1978: Two Arab guerrillas seized a plane in Cyprus. Egyptian commandos flew in uninvited to try to take the plane. Cypriot troops resisted and 15 Egyptians died in a 45-minute battle.
1979: Two East Germans hijacked an airplane to West Berlin; see Judgment in Berlin.
1981: A Pakistan International Airlines jet is hijacked and taken to Kabul, where one passenger is killed before the plane flies on to Damascus; the hostages are finally released after 13 days when the Pakistani Government agrees to free fifty political prisoners.
1981 September 29: An Indian Airlines plane carrying 111 passengers and a crew of six was hijacked by five Sikh militants carrying knives and swords. The airplane was taken to Lahore, Pakistan where Pakistani commandos overpowered the hijackers and rescued the passengers. It was related to the secessionist struggle in the Indian state of Punjab.
1982 July 1: A Sri Lankan gentleman, identified as Sepala Ekanayaka, who is 33 years old, hijacked an Alitalia jumbo jet in order to return to Sri Lanka with his wife and child.
1982 August 22: A lone Sikh militant, armed with a pistol and a hand grenade, hijacked a Boeing 737 on a scheduled flight from Bombay to New Delhi carrying 69 persons. Indian security forces killed the hijacker and rescued all passengers.
1983: Tbilisi hijacking incident
1984 August 24: Seven young Sikh hijackers demanded an Indian Airlines jetliner on a domestic flight be flown to the United States. The plane was taken to UAE where the defense minister of UAE negotiated the release of the passengers. It was related to the Sikh secessionist struggle in the Indian state of Punjab.
1984: Lebanese Shi'a hijackers divert a Kuwait Airways flight to Tehran. The plane is taken by Iranian security forces.
1985: Lebanese Shi'a hijackers divert TWA Flight 847 from Athens to Beirut with 153 people on board. The stand-off ends after Israel frees 31 Lebanese prisoners.
1985: Palestinians take over EgyptAir Flight 648 and fly it to Malta. All together, 60 people died, most of them when Egyptian commandos stormed the aircraft.
1986: 22 people are killed when Pakistani security forces storm Pan Am Flight 73 at Karachi, carrying 400 passengers and crew after a 16-hour siege.
1990: Hijackers seized a plane from the People's Republic of China which later crashed as it tried to land in Canton, killing 128 people.
1991: 26 March 1991, Singapore Airlines Flight 117 hijacked by hijackers claiming to be members of the Pakistan People's Party. Elite Singapore Special Operations Force members stormed the plane, killing all four hijackers and freeing all 118 passengers and 9 crew in an operation lasting just 30 seconds. None of the passengers and crew were hurt.
1994: FedEx Flight 705 hijacked by disgruntled employee Auburn Calloway as it left Memphis, Tennessee, with the intention of using it as a cruise missile against FedEx HQ. He was subdued by the flight crew before an emergency landing back at Memphis.
1995: Iranian defector and flight attendant Rida Garari hijacked Kish Air flight 707, which landed in Israel. No casualties.
1996: Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 crashed into the Indian Ocean near a beach in the Comoros Islands after hijackers refused to allow the pilot to land and refuel the plane. 125 passengers die and 50 survive. This is only the third incident in which there were survivors of a passenger jet that intentionally ditched into water.
1997: Air Malta Two men who hijacked an Air Malta airplane en route from Malta to Turkey on June 9, 1997 surrendered to police at Cologne's airport early on the same day and freed without incident about 80 crew members and passengers on board.
1999: All Nippon Airways Flight 61 is hijacked by a lone man. He kills the pilot before he is subdued.
1999-2000: Kashmiri militants hijack Indian Airlines Flight 814 and divert it to Kandahar. After a week-long stand-off India agrees to release three jailed Kashmiri militants in exchange for the hostages. 1 hostage was stabbed to death and his body thrown on the tarmac as a warning attack
2001: September 11 attacks, eastern USA: 19 terrorists hijack four planes (American Airlines Flight 11, American Airlines Flight 77, United Airlines Flight 93, and United Airlines Flight 175; two of the planes, United Airlines Flight 175 and Flight 11, are used as missiles and deliberately flown into each of New York City's Twin Towers, while American Airlines Flight 77 is used in a similar fashion at the Pentagon, in Washington, D.C.. They are the three most deadly of all aircraft hijackings. In the fourth case the intention is likely the same but the passengers, learning of the fate of the other three planes, attacked the cockpit, causing the hijackers to crash the plane in rural Pennsylvania, killing all on board. By official count, 2,752 people died at the World Trade Center, 189 died in Washington, D.C., and 44 died crashing into a mine field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
Pam Am flight 73, included military soldiers among the hostages. The military has always been aware of kidnappings, hijacks and not only trains to prevent it and educate it's troops, but will practice exercises in order to obtain experience and efficiency for the real thing. It's part of training we go through.
So let's review, because I know this was a long post:
1. For a president to allow or conspire an attack against U.S. citizens on U.S. soil is just too idiotic and monstrous.
2. More top political and military commanders would have to be involved, along with all of their staff. Which increases the likelihood of a leak.
3. If you are familiar in the slightest about the world in Wash., D.C., you will know that scandals, conspiracies or such like this hardly ever remain secret for very long.
4. Knowing or participating in an attack directed against U.S. citizens on U.S. soil, damaging infastructure and killing civilians would be detrimental to your success in war.
5. There will always be and always have been conspiracy theories.
6. Almost all of the evidence presented so far is speculation with dubious sources.
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This isn't news ....
But someone had alot of time thinking up stuff like this u___u
'citation to news articles with the FBI confirming that many 9/11 hijackers are still alive'
I find this hard to belive If they are alive, why aren't there any other survivors from the crush?
loool hahahahhaha...what it means is they just took ppls identities and said they were of the 19 hijackers...most of them were dead years b4..things like this always happen..sorry but this is american for you she eats everybody elses resources alllll up...everything has to be hers..EVERYTHING
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I believe the government had something to do with this.
The evidence is right there.
I've seen the towers fall - it looks like a damn controlled explosion.
Why did that other building fall when it didn't even get hit by an air plane? It fell in a style of a controlled demolition.
How come the dude who owns the WTC a few months ago the attacks bought insurance for the WTC specifically for terrorism?
This and the other tons of evidence.
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i think this has gone on long enough, closing
